User blog comment:B214/Shin DxD 1 discussion/@comment-36663391-20180920083134/@comment-34061653-20180923123336

Don't give me that crap. The argument started when you claim, it was obvious that both Vali and Crom were holding back when the novel proves otherwise. DxD L is Vali's strongest form until we see otherwise and going by Vali's personality, he doesn't fight in his strongest until he face an opponent equal or stronger, so saying he was holding back is outright ludicrous on your part. Crom finally finds someone on his level so he had no reason to hold back either. You're just making excuses with unknown possibilities that has no merit.