User blog comment:B214/Talk About What You Want! 2/@comment-24098614-20140818231513/@comment-24549585-20140819003444

I really don't know why everyone keeps saying "suprise factor" Euclid knew he was going to be faceing the Wyvern's so there was no suprise there, Rose stopped Euclid and got  smashed Ise's win.

But its true Ise is not as strong as Grayfia.